What if they used archival footage of Chad McQueen from interviews, fan-made videos, and public appearances and they put them in Cobra Kai Season 6? Like that could be a way to put Dutch in the final season despite the actor's death and being unable to film his scenes. Then they can blend the footage in to where it fits into the present day scenes of Cobra Kai and redub some of Chad's lines from those interviews using an AI generated synethizer.

15. Anthony

14. Kyler

13. Daniel

12. Kenny

11. Sam

10. Kim Da Eun

9. Devon

8. Tory

7. Kreese

6. Silver

5. Johnny

4. Robby

3. Demetri

2. Miguel

1. Hawk

So this matchup is underrated in my opinion as I don’t see it being discussed a lot. I honestly believe it’s much more interesting than comparing Hawk to Miguel and Robby or comparing Sam to Tory as those matchups tend to be kind of one sided if we’re comparing season by season.

Season 1 - So as for Sam, although she has no actual feats in season 1 we see that she was able to get the upper hand on Robby in sparring in early season 2 after just getting back into karate (so she should be practically equal to her s1 self). Hawk on the other hand got destroyed by Robby in the All-Valley after Robby was actually focused/balanced. While yes, it’s true Sam only beat Robby in a sparring match I would still have to give this season to her just given how easily Robby was able to beat Hawk.

Season 2 - So we see them have a brief fight mid season and Sam is able to get the upper hand on Hawk. Hawk literally goes on to have no good feats that would justify him being above Sam this season and Sam is shown throughout the entire season to be extremely relative to Robby who should be a good margin above Hawk as he lasts way longer against him against Miguel. Sam should be winning again.

Season 3 - This season is honestly the most debatable season of Cobra Kai overall when talking about the kids and Sam vs. Hawk is no exception. So what I’m going to do is I’m going to do is state both of the common arguments in favour of each character and you guys can decide who wins.

Sam’s Argument: So the argument for Sam winning stems from the belief that Tory is actually the new Cobra Kai champion Kreese was talking about and not Hawk. When Kreese is talking about a “new champion” to Hawk he is extremely vague and it’s unclear who he’s actually talking about. However right after this Kreese goes and finds Tory and when talking to her about the next Cobra Kai champion basically describes Tory as a character and is not vague at all like with Hawk, almost if he was talking directly to Tory. He even says “those other students, they weren’t born fighters like you” which could also be argued to be a supporting point for this. Sam beats Tory at the end of the season, so if Tory is above Hawk, so is Sam.

Hawk’s Argument: Hawks argument is based off of background character scaling in the house fight. So Sam is shown to struggle against a background character named Paul as he is able to land a good kick on her. Paul is shown to fight on par with another background character named Jason who Rickenberger low diffs. Then Hawk is above Rickenberger as Rickenberger is basically his lackey the entire season who follows him around. Hawk is portrayed as being the strongest fighter at least amongst the boys this season.

Season 4 - So while it is kind of hard to scale the boys to the girls this season as they don’t fight in the All-Valley, we can still compare them through a Silver statement in season 5. When Silver is talking to Kenny he describes Miguel, Robby, and Hawk as being “ the strongest fighters in the valley”. Keep in mind that the last time Silver saw any of the Miyagi-Do and Eagle fang fighters fight was in the s4 All-Valley so he would have to referring to specifically the All-Valley. Hawk should be talking this.

Season 5 - So the only time we see Hawk have a proper fight this season is against Kenny where he gets immediately dropped by the silver bullet even after he states that “it’s time to uncage the Hawk” which implies he was finally going all out on Kenny. Tory is stated to be the best fighter in Cobra Kai which I believe is even after Kenny learns the silver bullet (correct me if I’m wrong on this one). Sam is above Tory this season as she performs much better against Kim Da-Eun than Tory does even being able to briefly flip Kim Da-Eun to the ground. Sam should probably be taking this.

Season 6 Pt 1 - So it’s shown than Miguel, Robby, Sam, and Tory were pretty clearly the strongest fighters in Miyagi-Do as they are chosen for the final Sekai Taikai team without question by Mike Barnes while Hawk had to go through that whole final qualification round. Hawk also gets dropped by Devon during the flag challenge who Sam should be above. Sam takes this one.

Overall Sam wins 5-1 or 4-2 depending on which argument you side with for season 3.

What should happen in the second half of season 6?

Miguel Diaz

Robby Keene

Tory Nichols

Shawn Payne

Samantha LaRusso

Kenny Payne

Kyler Park

Brucks

Bert

Nate

Mitch

Aisha

Chris

Rickenberger

Mikey

Hawk

Demitri

Literally noticing that there isn't a single season where Tory beats Sam. (Maybe Season six) but even then it's really close. Tory isn't weak but if there is a season where she beats Sam, (besides Season six) with a rage amp, then I'm all open ears.

Season 2 -

• Sam wins with high difficulty, Tory was trying to kill Sam during the school fight while Sam was just trying to prevent that from happening. Sam also has experience, and she can beat Hawk from this season aswell. - Plot armor doesn't exist in this fight, Tory was trying to kill, and Sam was trying not to be killed, Sam is a better fighter this season.

Season 3 -

• Don't feel like I need to explain, this was the second fight where Tory had to resort to using weapons. Not to mention, Sam still would've beat her if Hawk, Demetri and Miguel would've not arrived. Sam also has better defense, not to mention Sam is the best teen fighter this season, along with Hawk and Robby.

Season 4 -

• Silver paid the referee on this fight, so Sam would've won the all valley girls tournament if it weren't for that. I also want to point out that the referee cheated while Tory was fighting Devon aswell, (it was pretty obvious.)

Season 5 -

• This one is actually pretty weird, as we hardly saw them fight each other this season. Feel free to comment down below, but I'm 100% sure Sam wins this despite Tory having more training this season.

Season 6 -

• Sam wins, but from my standpoint, with or without an amp from Tory I STILL think she won't be able to beat Sam.

1. Season 2 - Sam wins

2. Season 3 - Sam wins

3. Season 4 - Sam wins

4. Season 5 - Sam wins

5. Season 6 - Sam wins.

Conclusion/Verdict: In case you didn't decide to read the full post, Sam is stronger than Tory in every way.

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What other dojos should appear in Cobra Kai?

In Season 1, Johnny Lawrence has a talk with Miguel Diaz because Miguel was dating the daughter of Daniel LaRusso.

He tells Miguel that in the Summer of 1982, the movie Rocky lll came out, and Dutch was a huge fan of Mr. T, So Dutch went with Johnny and his friends to go see the movie. Dutch noticed a couple of girls in the seat in front of him. Dutch started throwing Milk Duds at the girls to get their attention. One girl, Ali Mills, stands up to give them a piece of her mind. Johnny immediately gets a crush on her. He tries to hit on her a few times, and then she finally gives him a chance. Johnny and Ali date for a little bit, and even kiss on the ferris wheel. Then one day, Johnny and his friends go to a bar and get drunk. Johnny then misses her birthday. The next time Johnny saw Ali, they got into a huge argument and then they broke up. A few months after the break up, Daniel LaRusso comes to town. Daniel meets Ali at a beach party, they then start flirting with each other. But once again, Johnny and his friends come notice Daniel and Ali, and they go to Ali and start to mess with her. Johnny slapped down a boombox that Ai was holding. Daniel intervenes and picks up the boombox to give to Ali. Johnny slaps the boombox out of Daniels hands. They then get into a long fist fight. Johnny and his friends left, which one of his friends ran over the boombox with his dirtbike. A couple months were occuring in which Johnny just terrorizes Daniel. But on time at a school halloween party, Daniel dozes Johnny with a water hose and Johnny and his friends chase Daniel all the way to his apartment. They beat Daniel pretty badly, and then Mr. Miyagi intervenes and beats all of them up. Daniel then gets trained by Mr. Miyagi for around 6 months. then the All Valley Under 18 Karate Tournament comes around, and both Daniel and Johnny participate in it. They were kicking ass all the way up until the finals. Where Daniel does the Crane Kick and beats Johnny 3-2.

So in conclusion, the Crane Kick never would exist if Dutch never threw the Milk Duds. If Daniel never did the Crane Kick, Johnny would not have a bad career as an adult. If Johnny would not have a bad career, and would still be there, welcoming his son, Robby, to the world. If he would be a good father to Robby, he probably would have never met Miguel and would not be there to reopen up Cobra Kai. And without Johnny to open up Cobra Kai, Daniel LaRusso would not open up Miyagi-Do to compete with Johnny. And Kreese, or Silver, and Chozen, and Mike Barnes, would not come back and they would have a karate war and everybody will live happy.

I feel like Tory's Part 2 arc will be very similar to Oliver Queen's story from the last episodes of Arrow Season 3, I mean Al-Sahim arc.

20. Mikey

19. Nate

18. Bert

17. Chris

16. Shawn Payne

15. Doug Rickenberger

14. Devon Lee

13. Brucks

12. Kyler Park

11. Kenny Payne

10. John Kreese

9. Demitri Alexopoulos

8. Terry Silver

7. Daniel LaRusso (Besides glazing Mr. Miyagi)

6. Mike Barnes

5. Tory Nichols

4. Kim Da-Eun

3. Robby Keene

2. Miguel Diaz

1. The King, Johnny Lawrence

Cobra Kai

Miyagi Do

Eagle Fang

Topanga Karate

Tang Soo Do Karate

Xtreme Martial Arts

Iron Dragons

Daniel never knew about it and with Mr. Miyagi dead, Daniel can't fully question him about it and with Daniel feeling unhappy, it's like he and Mr. Miyagi can't reconcile.

It feels the opposite of what happened in the final Harry Potter book when Harry learned about Dumbledore's past of having once tried to rid the world of Muggles and partner with Grindelwald and his sister's accidental death, but then Harry got to visit Dumbledore in limbo for a while and then return to life because of his blood also inside Voldemort.

And it feels Daniel and Mr. Miyagi could only reconcile in heaven after Daniel dies and can't return.